Red Hat 8 and Exceed

Discussion:

Cannon, Andrew

2003-02-17 07:57:27 UTC

Hi All,

Has anyone here set up a mixed box network (Win/Unix/Linux) with a number of
boxes running Windows (NT/2000) and a number of boxes running Linux using
the Windows machines to access the Linux machines using Hummingbird Exceed?
We are about to invest in a linux box and due to the software being used, we
need to access the graphical output over the network. Are there any special
instructions that are needed on either box?

Thanx in advance

Andy

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Cheshire, WA16 8QZ.

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2003-02-17 10:13:20 UTC

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possible configuration of gdm using XDMCP (exceed ...)

/etc/inittab
...
# Run xdm in runlevel 5
# xdm is now a separate service
x:5:respawn:/etc/X11/prefdm -nodaemon

[***@.. root]# netstat -an | grep 6000
tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:6000 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN

ok LISTEN

[***@.. root]# type gdm
gdm is /usr/bin/gdm

[***@.. root]# cd /etc/X11/gdm
[***@... gdm]# ls
factory-gdm.conf gdm.conf gdm.conf.orig gnomerc Init locale.alias
PostSession PreSession Sessions XKeepsCrashing

[***@.. gdm]# ll
total 40
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2783 Apr 15 2002 factory-gdm.conf
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2783 Jan 30 08:14 gdm.conf
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2783 Jan 29 12:37 gdm.conf.orig
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 28 Apr 15 2002 gnomerc
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan 23 16:51 Init
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2390 Apr 15 2002 locale.alias
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan 23 16:51 PostSession
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan 23 16:51 PreSession
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan 23 16:51 Sessions
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2069 Apr 15 2002 XkeepsCrashing

file gdm.conf :

[xdmcp]
Enable=false ==> put true
HonorIndirect=true
MaxPending=4
MaxPendingIndirect=4
MaxSessions=16
MaxWait=30
MaxWaitIndirect=30
Port=177

[***@.. gdm]# cd ../xdm
[***@.. xdm]# ls
authdir chooser GiveConsole kdmrc pixmaps TakeConsole Xaccess xdm-config
Xresources Xservers Xsession Xsetup_0 Xwilling

file xdm-config :

DisplayManager.servers: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xdm/Xservers
DisplayManager.errorLogFile: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xdm/xdm-errors
DisplayManager*resources: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xdm/Xresources
DisplayManager*startup: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xdm/Xstartup
DisplayManager*session: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xdm/Xsession
DisplayManager.pidFile: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xdm/xdm-pid
DisplayManager._0.authorize: true
DisplayManager*authorize: false
! SECURITY: do not listen for XDMCP or Chooser requests
! Comment out this line if you want to manage X terminals with xdm
!DisplayManager.requestPort: 0

file Xaccess :

* CHOOSER BROADCAST #any indirect host can get a chooser
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

it s possible to select hosts (see manuals .. )

Fabrice Charrier

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Shannon Neumann

2003-02-17 14:55:36 UTC

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Is Exceed something that you already have on-hand? If not, I would
recommend using Cygwin for remote sessions to the linux box. If you are
interested in a screenshot of it looks on my WinXP desktop, let me know,
and I'll send it to you directly, so as to avoid sending a file to the
list.
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Post by Cannon, Andrew
Hi All,
Has anyone here set up a mixed box network (Win/Unix/Linux) with a
number of boxes running Windows (NT/2000) and a number of boxes running
Linux using the Windows machines to access the Linux machines using
Hummingbird Exceed? We are about to invest in a linux box and due to the
software being used, we need to access the graphical output over the
network. Are there any special instructions that are needed on either
box?
Thanx in advance
Andy
Andrew Cannon, Nuclear Technology (J2), NNC Ltd, Booths Hall, Knutsford,
Cheshire, WA16 8QZ.
Telephone; +44 (0) 1565 843768
NNC website: http://www.nnc.co.uk
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Mingle, Michael

2003-02-17 14:59:45 UTC

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I am interested in how you set this up.

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Is Exceed something that you already have on-hand? If not, I would
recommend using Cygwin for remote sessions to the linux box. If you are
interested in a screenshot of it looks on my WinXP desktop, let me know,
and I'll send it to you directly, so as to avoid sending a file to the
list.
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2003-02-17 15:30:00 UTC

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Post by Mingle, Michael
I am interested in how you set this up.
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: Red Hat 8 and Exceed
Is Exceed something that you already have on-hand? If not, I would
recommend using Cygwin for remote sessions to the linux box. If you are
interested in a screenshot of it looks on my WinXP desktop, let me know,
and I'll send it to you directly, so as to avoid sending a file to the
list.

I second Shannon - Exceed can be quite expensive and Cygwin (although
with a bit more effort) is an adequate substitute, perhaps even faster.
But Exceed does have tighter integration with Windows (cut'n'paste between
Linux apps and Windows is one example) so I suppose it's an open choice.

Personally I use Cygwin and would be glad to share any setup tips.

hih

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Mingle, Michael

2003-02-17 15:31:32 UTC

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How do you have Cygwin setup to allow remote login to a X desktop??

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Shannon Neumann

2003-02-17 15:49:32 UTC

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For anyone who is interested, here is a link to a screenshot of my WinXP
desktop running Cygwin with a remote session to a Redhat 8 box.

Loading Image...

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Post by Mingle, Michael
How do you have Cygwin setup to allow remote login to a X desktop??
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Subject: RE: Red Hat 8 and Exceed

Post by Mingle, Michael
I am interested in how you set this up.
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: Red Hat 8 and Exceed
Is Exceed something that you already have on-hand? If not, I would
recommend using Cygwin for remote sessions to the linux box. If you
are interested in a screenshot of it looks on my WinXP desktop, let me
know, and I'll send it to you directly, so as to avoid sending a file
to the list.

I second Shannon - Exceed can be quite expensive and Cygwin (although
with a bit more effort) is an adequate substitute, perhaps even faster.
But Exceed does have tighter integration with Windows (cut'n'paste
between Linux apps and Windows is one example) so I suppose it's an open
choice.
Personally I use Cygwin and would be glad to share any setup tips.
hih

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Post by Cannon, Andrew
Hi All,
Has anyone here set up a mixed box network (Win/Unix/Linux) with a

number of boxes running Windows (NT/2000) and a number of boxes
running Linux using the Windows machines to access the Linux
machines using Hummingbird Exceed? We are about to invest in a linux
box and due to the software being used, we need to access the
graphical output over the network. Are there any special
instructions that are needed on either box?

Post by Cannon, Andrew
Thanx in advance
Andy
Andrew Cannon, Nuclear Technology (J2), NNC Ltd, Booths Hall,

Knutsford, Cheshire, WA16 8QZ.

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How do you have Cygwin setup to allow remote login to a X desktop??

I have a series of scripts and batch files. Simply:-

linux.bat (windows) calls core.sh (cygwin) calls nick.sh (linux)

I have a desktop shortcut to linux.bat:- (with a nice little Tux icon for
it :) )

rem linux.bat:
set PATH=%PATH%;\cygwin\bin;\cygwin\X11R6\bin
sh \cygwin\core.sh

Which just sets up the cygwin path environment and calls core.sh (my linux
server is known
as core)

# core.sh
#!/bin/sh
export DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:0.0
export PATH=/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:$PATH
XWin -ac -screen 0 1600 1200 &
xhost + &
rsh core -l nick /home/nick/nick.sh &

And finally in my home directory on the core server there is nick.sh

#!/bin/bash
DISPLAY=192.168.100.18:0.0 # my windows IP.
PATH=$PATH:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/local/bin
export PATH DISPLAY
/usr/X11R6/bin/xmodmap /usr/share/xmodmap/xmodmap.uk
/usr/bin/gnome-session &

You may well come across authorisation issues, so look in /var/log for clues.

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2003-02-17 15:44:30 UTC

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There are two parts to this setup. On the linux side, you have to
enable XDMCP. In Redhat 8, there is a utility called gdmsetup that does
this. Either launch gdmsetup from the command line, or it should be
under System Settings -> Login Screen in the menu. On the XDMCP tab,
check the box to Enable DXMCP.

Then, there is the actual Cygwin setup on the Windows side. I think the
available documentation is sufficient to get it up and running, but I
kind of knew what I was looking for. So, if you are going to give this
a try, I would see if you get it working, and if not, myself, or someone
on this list should be able to walk you through it.

Once Cygwin is installed, you bring up a Cygwin shell. It helps to
realize that Cygwin is basically a UNIX 'emulator' that runs on Windows.
Once you have a cygwin shell, you access the linux box using a command
like:
Xwin.exe :0 -query 192.168.168.102 -screen 0 1024 768

where you replace the IP address with the IP of your linux box. If you
have DNS available on your network, you can use the hostname instead of
the IP address.

I realize that this won't make sense until you actually have it in front
of you, so don't hesitate to ask questions.
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Post by Mingle, Michael
I am interested in how you set this up.
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Subject: Re: Red Hat 8 and Exceed
Is Exceed something that you already have on-hand? If not, I would
recommend using Cygwin for remote sessions to the linux box. If you
are interested in a screenshot of it looks on my WinXP desktop, let me
know, and I'll send it to you directly, so as to avoid sending a file
to the list.
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n30

2003-02-18 00:08:21 UTC

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Hi Shannon,

I am still having problems & hope you help me out....

I have been using cygwin since some time... so I have cygwin with X
installed on my win box....

I used gdmsetup on my RH 8.0 linux box & enabled DXMCP

No in cygwin...when i type

Xwin.exe :0 -query 192.168.168.101 -screen 0 1024 768

where IP of my other box=192.168.1.101

I just get a blank X window of size 1024/768...I am not able to connect to
the other box....

Any idea whats i m doing wrong.....help appreciated.

Thanks
N

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To: <redhat-***@redhat.com>
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 7:44 AM
Subject: RE: Red Hat 8 and Exceed

There are two parts to this setup. On the linux side, you have to
enable XDMCP. In Redhat 8, there is a utility called gdmsetup that does
this. Either launch gdmsetup from the command line, or it should be
under System Settings -> Login Screen in the menu. On the XDMCP tab,
check the box to Enable DXMCP.
Then, there is the actual Cygwin setup on the Windows side. I think the
available documentation is sufficient to get it up and running, but I
kind of knew what I was looking for. So, if you are going to give this
a try, I would see if you get it working, and if not, myself, or someone
on this list should be able to walk you through it.
Once Cygwin is installed, you bring up a Cygwin shell. It helps to
realize that Cygwin is basically a UNIX 'emulator' that runs on Windows.
Once you have a cygwin shell, you access the linux box using a command
Xwin.exe :0 -query 192.168.168.102 -screen 0 1024 768
where you replace the IP address with the IP of your linux box. If you
have DNS available on your network, you can use the hostname instead of
the IP address.
I realize that this won't make sense until you actually have it in front
of you, so don't hesitate to ask questions.
--
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Neumannweb Computers
www.neumannweb.net

Post by Mingle, Michael
I am interested in how you set this up.
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: Red Hat 8 and Exceed
Is Exceed something that you already have on-hand? If not, I would
recommend using Cygwin for remote sessions to the linux box. If you
are interested in a screenshot of it looks on my WinXP desktop, let me
know, and I'll send it to you directly, so as to avoid sending a file
to the list.
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2003-02-18 00:13:52 UTC

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The IP address in the Xwin.exe command should be the IP of the box you are
trying to connect to. So, if your redhat box has an IP of 192.168.1.101,
then the IP in the command should be 192.168.1.101. I hope this helps. :)

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Post by n30
Hi Shannon,
I am still having problems & hope you help me out....
I have been using cygwin since some time... so I have cygwin with X
installed on my win box....
I used gdmsetup on my RH 8.0 linux box & enabled DXMCP
No in cygwin...when i type

Xwin.exe :0 -query 192.168.168.101 -screen 0 1024 768

where IP of my other box=192.168.1.101
I just get a blank X window of size 1024/768...I am not able to connect to
the other box....
Any idea whats i m doing wrong.....help appreciated.
Thanks
N
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Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 7:44 AM
Subject: RE: Red Hat 8 and Exceed

There are two parts to this setup. On the linux side, you have to
enable XDMCP. In Redhat 8, there is a utility called gdmsetup that does
this. Either launch gdmsetup from the command line, or it should be
under System Settings -> Login Screen in the menu. On the XDMCP tab,
check the box to Enable DXMCP.
Then, there is the actual Cygwin setup on the Windows side. I think the
available documentation is sufficient to get it up and running, but I
kind of knew what I was looking for. So, if you are going to give this
a try, I would see if you get it working, and if not, myself, or someone
on this list should be able to walk you through it.
Once Cygwin is installed, you bring up a Cygwin shell. It helps to
realize that Cygwin is basically a UNIX 'emulator' that runs on Windows.
Once you have a cygwin shell, you access the linux box using a command
Xwin.exe :0 -query 192.168.168.102 -screen 0 1024 768
where you replace the IP address with the IP of your linux box. If you
have DNS available on your network, you can use the hostname instead of
the IP address.
I realize that this won't make sense until you actually have it in front
of you, so don't hesitate to ask questions.
--
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Neumannweb Computers
www.neumannweb.net

Post by Mingle, Michael
I am interested in how you set this up.
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: Red Hat 8 and Exceed
Is Exceed something that you already have on-hand? If not, I would
recommend using Cygwin for remote sessions to the linux box. If you
are interested in a screenshot of it looks on my WinXP desktop, let me
know, and I'll send it to you directly, so as to avoid sending a file
to the list.
--
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2003-02-18 09:22:16 UTC

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Xwin.exe :0 -query 192.168.168.101 -screen 0 1024 768

where IP of my other box=192.168.1.101
I just get a blank X window of size 1024/768...I am not able to connect to
the other box....
Any idea whats i m doing wrong.....help appreciated.

This is expected behaviour - you've started an Xsession (hence the grey screen)
but you've not fired up any applications in it yet.

Sounds to me that you're almost there - you just don't have a window
manager running.

Try telnetting to the linux machine and do
DISPLAY=$windowsip:0.0; export display; xterm &

(where $windowsip is the address of your windows pc)

and see if an xterm comes up on the pc.

Post by n30
Thanks
N
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Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 7:44 AM
Subject: RE: Red Hat 8 and Exceed

There are two parts to this setup. On the linux side, you have to
enable XDMCP. In Redhat 8, there is a utility called gdmsetup that does
this. Either launch gdmsetup from the command line, or it should be
under System Settings -> Login Screen in the menu. On the XDMCP tab,
check the box to Enable DXMCP.
Then, there is the actual Cygwin setup on the Windows side. I think the
available documentation is sufficient to get it up and running, but I
kind of knew what I was looking for. So, if you are going to give this
a try, I would see if you get it working, and if not, myself, or someone
on this list should be able to walk you through it.
Once Cygwin is installed, you bring up a Cygwin shell. It helps to
realize that Cygwin is basically a UNIX 'emulator' that runs on Windows.
Once you have a cygwin shell, you access the linux box using a command
Xwin.exe :0 -query 192.168.168.102 -screen 0 1024 768
where you replace the IP address with the IP of your linux box. If you
have DNS available on your network, you can use the hostname instead of
the IP address.
I realize that this won't make sense until you actually have it in front
of you, so don't hesitate to ask questions.
--
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Neumannweb Computers
www.neumannweb.net

Post by Mingle, Michael
I am interested in how you set this up.
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: Red Hat 8 and Exceed
Is Exceed something that you already have on-hand? If not, I would
recommend using Cygwin for remote sessions to the linux box. If you
are interested in a screenshot of it looks on my WinXP desktop, let me
know, and I'll send it to you directly, so as to avoid sending a file
to the list.
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